, the new generation of military our new, and you didn't do with it so much and now they minister of defense, chief of intelligence. they are new. and to create that relationship, and at the same time create a separation with civilians, military several roles in society which is modern society, it's tricky. we have to do it a lot in the countries that were coming from the soviet union. and that was a transition that we organized that will. and we have countries, mine for instance, came from a military dictatorship and we organized it. we had a spirit of how to handle that. and that is something that not many people have experienced, but i figure europeans and americans do have, and we should be more, trying to work in that direction. >> as the cold war was any there was a big meeting and all of the congress in vienna, i don't know if you recall this. we had all of the senior military leaders from every european country, even included the vatican was represented there, and i was the first speaker, my russian colleague was across the hall from me. and i said, i'm chairman of the joint chiefs o
